This is an Ocean Canyon Properties park, and although the other 2 we have visited seem to have it together, this one is lacking. Trash seems to be a huge issue here. Our site had it's fair share of broken glass, beer bottle caps, sucker sticks, candy wrappers, etc. Sadly it doesn't end with just the camp sites, my husband and I spent over an hour picking up trash along the “nature” walk filling a 35 gallon trash can with everything from “to-go” food cartons to beer / soda bottles and cans. It is painfully obvious their maintenance has a problem. The bath house near the clubhouse and swimming pools is done in a rough stucco which is nearly impossible to keep clean, that would be if they even bothered to try. Both the men's and women's showers are design for people under 5 foot tall. The bath house near the cabin area shows the same cleanliness as the pool bathhouse and designed for taller individuals. The one near the church is closed and it does not appear they have any intention of re-opening it. Laundry Facilities are newer washers and dryers, cost is $1.75 to wash and $1.25 to dry. The indoor swimming pool left a nasty, oily film in my hair. I have seen cleaner water in a bath tub after a bath than what was in the hot tub. It appeared someone had dumped soap or bubbles in it and maintenance refuses to drain, clean, and refill it. Sale personnel at this facility are unfriendly and flat out rude. We encountered a number of them and not one would give us the time of day, one even went so far as to nearly splash us after a heavy rain. Although this is an OCP park, do not let that fool you; there are a number of “perms”. Site level varies from fairly level to “no way” am I parking there. The majority of sites are 30 amp; they do have a few 50 amp sites. We would stay here again. Rate shown is C2C.
Nice little park along Juniper Lake. The biggest draw back is all FHU are filled with very long-term “perms”. This leaves E/W hook ups for travelers. The Passport America book states they have 5 of these sites. We saw 2 that are usable; as the other 3 seem to be used as extra storage or parking for the “perms”. These 2 are “pull-thru” and back to back to one another. One faces the water and the other faces the rear of a very permanent trailer. Shared power pole contains 1 – 50 amp, 1 – 30amp and 1 – 20amp that must be shared. They do have a dump station. Everyone is super friendly and helpful. This area of the lake is more swamp than lake, so fishing from the bank is not really an option. Bath house is clean and updated. Washers and Dryers are located in the bath house, 2 in the ladies and 1 in the mens. Cost is $1.00 per unit. The biggest draw back here, the local men seem to use the washer and dryers in the ladies room. I am sure most females would find this practice very unnerving when attempting to take a shower. Cable is $1.50 per night. Internet is free. Cell phone service was fair. I would not rate this park as big rig friendly. We are 35 ft plus toad and maneuvering to get to the site was extremely tight. You are in the country here and wild life is in abundance: ducks, bees, frogs, snakes, gators, etc. Rate shown is RPI. We will stay here again.
Calling this park a “resort” is a joke. This has been our worst park so far. According to the locals the park has flooded at least three times since Hurricane Issac, and it shows. The roads into the park are rough and filled with pot holes. In some areas the “shoulder” no longer exists. They closed the only women's restroom / showers for repairs without warning or notice to campers. Laundry facilities consist of one thoroughly filthy washer and dryer. Management leaves a lot to be desired. The maintenance man spends the day driving around in a tractor getting nothing done. Office personnel is willing to take your money; don't ask for much more. Repairs to the restroom were being done by a couple of “perms” on their own schedule. Prepare to clean your shower, IF you use the park's bathhouse. No Internet, no antenna television, cell phone worked fair. Many of the full hookup sites are no longer accessible due to the river washing away the bank. The few that remain, you have to use a hand held shovel to locate the sewer inlet, which drains slowly. Make sure you are using a surge protector on electric, as we discovered the hard way some of the plugs are wired incorrectly. Water pressure is 80 psi, which may also be a concern. The swimming pools are full of river water, debris, and wildlife; neither are usable. The few “perms” are friendly enough, and blame the state of affairs around the park on the owners in California. Their rigs and “storage” tents pretty much represent the park: “rough”. Rate shown is RPI. This park is a drive, 20 miles or more, from anything. We would have to consider all of the above before staying again.
Awesome owners. This is their second season owning this park. Sites are fairly good sized and some what level. Site and road do not meet evenly which causes a drop off on either side. Not quite a gravel parking lot because they are in desperate need of gravel. If you hate trees, this is the perfect campground for you. Just be prepared for the wind to rock your rig during your entire stay. Even with stabilizers we rocked and we were afraid to put our awning out due to the constant gusty winds. “Perms” are intermixed with travelers in sort of an every other site type thing. Having a “perms” propane tank in my yard was truly unacceptable. Power was stable, sewer hook ups were adequate, but water is another big issue. Could not drink the water, even our animals refused to drink the tap (well) water. The water also caused rust color stains in the commode. These issues were in spite of having an external filter on the water line. Management state this is because they are on well water here. The pool was a pleasant reprieve from the temperatures; however, there is no shade in, near, or around the pool. It is an outdoor pool alongside the office. The restrooms were clean, well maintained, and stocked. Shower heads also had the same rust color staining as we experienced in our commode. Cell service was strong and clear. Internet signal was strong through out the park, although access was glitchy on the weekends. We would stay here again if in the area, as there really is no other park available.
Rate cited is reflects a Passport America discount. This little park isn't far off I-75 and could be a great little park. As this is a newer park, they are teetering between having a great park and having a nightmare of bad reviews. We stayed here on our way south for a travel break, and that is about all this park is good for; and only then if you don't mind the “perms” getting into your business or the train making it's hourly drive-bys a few hundred feet from your camper. This park sits right along the railroad tracks; there is no avoiding the noise. The restrooms are unisex, so plan on taking a shower with a neighbor. An old fashion gym shower has more privacy. There is no divider, shower curtain, etc between the 2 cinder block shower stalls. Roads are narrow gravel paths that I would not want to encounter after a heavy rain storm. Water pressure is horrible, not even enough pressure to use the spray nozzle on the kitchen sink, much less trying to use your rig's shower. Internet was good until they changed the password without notice, right before closing the office. Cell phone service was good. Their antennae television was glitchy at best, I would suggest using satellite if you have it. There is an insurance issue with regards to the fishing ponds, thus they are unusable. We will not stay here again.
I-75 is under construction and appears it will be for some time to come, so be prepared for short distance exiting or entering of the highway. It is obvious this was a KOA campground in a former life. Utilities and “yards” are shared. Sites would be nice sized if this was not the case. They have 35 - 50amp sites; all others are 30amp. There is a $2.00 per night fee for cable in all 50amp sites and 16 - 30amp sites. Cable sites are out front near I-75 and the railroad tracks. Bath house is clean. Laundry room shows wear and date. Dryers need cleaned. Cost is $1.25. Just watch for the little mouse that makes the laundry room home. Cell phone service is good; park is across the interstate from a cell tower. This would be a great park for those who enjoy the parking lot style RV parks, little dogs, with bingo and so forth. We will only use this park as a travel stop if necessary in the future.
Where do we start. Roads need work; buildings need updated, cleaned, maintained. And the “shadow” cut-outs that are every where are a bit corny. Layout is very confusing. Sites vary in size from spacious to way too tight if you have slides; site level varies just as much from level to WOW ok then. Our site had us pitched 5 to 6 inches to the front. Due to drainage and outdated (grandfathered) sewer problems, the washers back up into the ladies shower stalls. Laundry and shower facilities are located in a 1930's converted house. Washer and dryers cost $2.00 each. Cell phone service is glitchy. Internet service is through a pay site (not Tengonet). Prices weren't bad, $15.99 per week for 2 devices, $21.99 for a month; with awesome connection and data usage. Television is either antennae or satellite. We would suggest IF you are over 35 ft you call in advance for Big Rig availability. Lots of “perms” and they vary in attitude, the ones in our area were very friendly and welcoming. Management will work with you so your stay is pleasant and enjoyable. Rate shown is with Military Discount. Even with all of this parks quirks, we would definitely stay here again.
“Interesting” doesn't even come close to describing this park. In the 70s and 80s, we could easily see this being a “destination” park. Now it has all the charm of a large “outdated” playground. During our stay, we were the only rig, other than a “permanent”. Restrooms are ¾ style bathrooms. Laundry facilities are a single washer and dryer set up in the community area kitchen. Cost is $1.75 per unit. Sites are small and very uneven. Maintenance seems to be a major problem in both the “amusement park” and campground. Internet was free and slow when you got a connection. As it is an unsecured connection, it is obvious the neighbors take full advantage of it. Television is antenna or satellite. Had no issues with cell phone service. Rate shown is Passport America weekly rate divided by 7. Doubt we will stay here again.
Interesting park. A bit out of the way, with too many run down, almost scary, “permanent” residents. Maintenance is definitely an issue. Restrooms are like a typical state park; however, they need a good thorough cleaning. No internet, no cable; television is via antenna or satellite. No problems with cell phone service. Sites are large, somewhat level with concrete patio, fire ring, and table. Rate was Passport America. There is a major Frisbee golf course at the entrance, with user's cars parked alongside the road way. The picnic / fishing area was under construction and closed during our visit. Stayed as an overnight stop, and would do so again only if necessary.
We found this park while sight seeing in the area. ***** WARNING***** Address in book is to a residential house; follow GPS coordinates to entrance on Bells Ferry Rd. Spent two weeks through the New Year holiday. Small (14 sites), quaint park with large personality. Sites are good sized, utilities may be a concern depending on where they are located on your rig. We could not back in as far as we wanted without using “extenders” on all utilities. At other sites this did not seem to be a problem. Upon arrival you drive through, pick your own spot, and then they either come to you or you can go to them. Restrooms are basically a ¾ bath you would expect in a home. There are no laundry facilities, no internet (at this time). There is a land line phone in the “cabin” for use to make your next reservations, take care of business, etc. Television is antenna or satellite, no cable. They have both 30 & 50 amp service, and most sites are full hook-ups. We had no problem with our cell phone service. Sites were fairly level, no tables available. Fishing was good in the lakes. Community fire ring where campers enjoyed their morning coffee / evening drink. We will definitely plan on staying here again. Rate shown is Passport America; RPI rate is good for only one week ($10 per night) and street rate is $24
Could be a real bayou treasure, operative words “Could Be”. Owner uses hurricanes Katrina and Isaac as excuses; however, his greed and lack of maintenance and care is why this park is in the shape it is in. Laundry is housed in a “shack” with unvented dryers and rusty washers,. Cost for use is $1.25 per item. Pool and hot tub is outside under beautiful tall pines. However there is no shelter; thus, both were full of pine needles. The only restrooms / showers are in the club house. The lady’s has no mirror and a single pedestal style sink. I cleaned the handicap shower stall, in order to use it. Entire restroom had a cleanliness problem. There is an RV “trailer” park attached to the campground, and the residents treat the campers as if they are trespassing on private property. No cable television and antennae television was adequate. Park has an awesome view of cell phone tower, thus cell service was great. Wi-Fi was sketchy at best in the bayou part of the park; cost is $1.00 per day per device. Rate shown is RPI, street rate is $35.00. This is the only park we have encountered that would not "permit" you to extend your stay to 14 or 21 days at your "membership" rate. After 7 days you pay "rack" rate period.
A true treasure in a wonderful little town. Some sites are small and very close together, as where other sites are larger and spaced further apart. Restrooms near the office / community center are clean, up to date, well maintained. The restrooms in the campground are housed in a “shack”, need upgrading, cleaning, general maintenance. The laundry consists of 2 washers and dryers housed in a lean-to off the front of the restroom “shack”. Cost is $1.25 per wash or dry. New managers took over while we were there. Hopefully that helps this park with their maintenance issues. Internet was reliable, cost was $1.99 per day. Although the more time you purchased the cheaper it became. It is free for OCP members. Television is either antennae or satellite. There is no cable. No problems with cell phone service. Fishing in the lake was awesome. Biggest complaint was “tenants' with leaf blowers, blowing debris into the pond. Awesome location across the toll bridge into New Orleans. As with other OCP properties, sales people here are pushy. We stayed through C2C and was still bothered by a sales rep.
Nice park, although spread out with private “permanent” lots in the center. All sites appeared to be full hook-ups. As we were here the first week of December, all activities and portions of the park were closed for the season. Wi-Fi is available throughout the park for free. No cable; television is via satellite or antennae. No problems with cell phone service. Sites are average in size with grass, tables, and some concrete patios. Laundry facilities were difficult to locate, in a cul-de-sac out of the way. Although they advertize fishing, we saw / caught none. Can see it being a great summer stop if you have children. We stayed here for the Louisiana Renaissance Festival. Rate is C2C. Would consider staying again.
Fee central is the first thing that comes to mind in writing this review. They are as follows: Mandatory $2 a night for cable even if you don’t use it, $5 a night per device for Tengo Internet, $5 per night for pull-through site, $5 per night for 50 amp, plus tax over 10%. We were notified only of the cable fee upon calling to verify availability and our other questions, something we do prior to making any reservations. Upon arrival we were notified of the other fees. We stayed one night. The rate posted was for one night, without all of the fees as we opted out of everything minus the mandatory cable fee. Park is very dated. Club house, restrooms, laundry facilities and office are all in need of repair. The only positive was the outdoor swimming pool. Fishing was in scum filled ponds, at least those you could reach. To say there were “a lot” of permanent residences would put it mildly. It seems that is what keeps this park open. The staff we had contact with seemed nice although not very helpful.
What a truly C2C treasure. A must stop if you are C2C and in the area. This a truly private resort. You enter through a guarded gate, travel through a golf course community to reach the resort in the back on Lake Livingston. Wi-Fi is at the Club house or you may catch it in loops D-1 and E-1 depending on where you are parked. No cell phone problems. No cable must use antenna or satellite. Nice spacious sites done in a cul-de-sac fashion, many right at the water’s edge. Restrooms and showers were clean and in good shape. Trash picked up twice a week. No long-term residence as this is not permitted. Heavily treed, so taller units may wish to choose one of the beautiful outer spots. Fishing is fair from the bank: Perch, Catfish, Crappie, White Bass. Abundance of wild life: Deer, Pelicans, Herons, Ducks, Geese, and we were blessed with a nightly sunset visit by a beautiful Bald Eagle. On down side, if you do not like gun fire, this maybe not be a park for you; as during hunting season you will hear a lot of it. Spent Thanksgiving and the members made us feel as part of the family. We will stay here again.
Dry, very very dry, will be your first impression of this park after you get through the bumpy ride to the office. It is very obvious this park needs TLC right from the start. Roads are very rough. No Wifi or internet access, cell phone service good, shared “yards” (units face one another) and power poles are shared. Electric is site assigned, although I am sure if a 30 & 50 amp were on the same pole regardless of site assignment a “user” would use their preference if they arrived first. Laundry Facilities were clean; $1 to wash or dry. Restrooms, showers were clean and appeared to be recently remodeled with water saver shower heads. Fishing on Lake Whitney is fee based. $10 per vehicle and $6 per person, $3 per person at Lake Whitney State Park, and / or a 5 mile drive from the RV Park. There is no fishing or lake access on the park property. Although we do not play golf, we took a drive through and the golf course appeared bristly and dry. Looking like it hadn’t been watered all summer just like the rest of the park. There are an abundance of rude “permanent” residence, in RV’s, travel trailers, and mobile homes. Most are parked under “Texas Canopies” as they call them. The managers say they have new owners. They need “new” something, ie owners, managers, “attitudes” of what an RV Resort should be. We do not recommend this park, other nice parks in the area.
What a beautiful park. This park would be an awesome oasis in a beautiful setting “if” not for their required sales pitch. This is a “members only” park; however they do have a number of permanent residents. Sales “pitch” took 3.5 hours; they wanted $13,000 for their 8 parks and Coast to Coast membership. Quoting “free” camping as their benefit, however Coast to Coast does not offer free camping with any of its memberships. We explained from the beginning we were Coast to Coast already and it still took 3.5 hours and they dropped their asking price to $5,520. The sites are fairly level, and spacious. Most of the buildings have been renovated or are in the process of being renovated. This park was originally a YMCA camp in the early 1900’s. Staff was friendly and helpful. As we were there for Halloween “weekend” there were an abundance of activities. Fishing isn’t half bad, although actually getting to the river is “rough”, not handicap accessible by any means. Bathrooms were dirty even though someone signed off saying they had cleaned them. Showers were pleasant, after we cleaned the stall. They do have a swimming pool, although it was locked during our stay. No hot tub. Laundry facilities are in a newer building and well maintained; $1.25 for washer or dryer. Wonderful free Wi-Fi; good clear cell phone service; no cable however good antenna television. We did have an issue with electric; hubby finally had to help resolve a few major problems at the main breaker box. Water pressure was extremely low, and none existent at times. The “old” camp area has beautiful mature trees, some dropping “huge” acorns, others dropping “yummy” pecans. Would recommend this beautiful park, only if you are already a member of Coast to Coast, ROD, or AOR; otherwise avoid this park and their sales pitch.
Nice “large” park. 90% of lakeside sites are “personal sites”; meaning they are TT privately owned. Only full hook-ups are lakeside sites. Honeywagon provided for a $10 charge per use. Site size varies depending on where you camp, most are very large. Some have concrete patio and picnic tables, gravel parking, most are level grass parking. Laundry and multiple shower facilities in Section 1 and single shower stall at swimming pool. Best showers are in Section 1. Laundry is $1.25 to wash; $1.00 to dry. Free Wi-Fi at the clubhouse only. No cable television. Cell phone service was fair. Interior of buildings clean, some have bare OSB to give it that “rustic” look. Exterior of buildings need repairs, cleaning, etc. Outdoor ground insect killer is provided free of charge. Large wasp issue around swimming pool / hot tub area. Hot tub heater is on a timer, user must turn on at least an hour prior to using. Pool, kiddie pool, and hot tub are outside with no covers. Over 1 mile drive from check in to camp sites.. Everyone was very friendly and helpful.
Nice underused park. Full hookups. Wi-Fi was free Tengo-Internet. Good cell phone service, as it is in Wichita Falls. Yards are grass with concrete patios, level grass / gravel combo parking. Trees for shade, fishing pond for kids right on the river. Park was under major maintenance during our stay. Check-in manager was friendly. Pull-through sites are an additional $2.50 per night. Our rate included Good Sams discount and the additional $2.50. Stayed one night, would stay again.
Texan hospitality all the way; owners and "permanent" residents alike. Park is tiered. In one review I read it used to be a "drive-in" theater in a former life and honestly you can see it if you take a step back. Sites are fair sized. RV's park on semi-paved (needing reworked) pads. Front yards are grass. Most sites have a tree or two. Picnic tables are worn and in need of repair. Fire pits are metal drum type things and in unusable places. Roads are in desperate need of re-paving, graveling, etc. If highway noise is an issue, the park is right on 287 and you can hear it. One major kudo is that the laundry is a $1 paid in the office, and washers are clean. Wi-Fi was awesome the whole stay. Cell phone service was awesome as well. Our rate reflected the weekly daily rate.
As our second RPI park we were quite impressed. The first left us a little worried about what we had bought into. This one however, was definitely an upgrade. The showers were clean for the most part however the showers near the outdoor pool were more like a pressure washer on an excellent day. The showers near the indoor pool were much more user friendly, although they did not drain properly. There is no real cell phone service in the area, however they do offer a land line for making important out going calls. Internet service is provided through Tengo-Internet; and not one of the best providers. It is geared down to less than 100 MB per 24 hour period to which you had to pay $2 per day per computer / device. Plus $1 a day for "cable" although you only receive 4 channels. The check in manager (a older female) was rather rude and "short". All in All, I would recommend this park and stay there again if we travel through the area.
After looking this site up both via their web site and Google earth (a great way to tell if they are nothing but a gravel parking lot or not) we thought it would be a great place to spend a couple of weeks. Sadly this park is so very ran down, natural habitat is about the only way to describe it. The restrooms/ showers near D loop were mold infest, spiders and their "lunch" resided in every corner, 3 different colors of paint were on the walls where there was paint, the toilet stalls had "finger paintings" for lack of a better description. The main restrooms near the outdoor swimming pool were "cleaner", not by much. This honestly seemed to be the "theme" through out the park. Lack of or no maintenance at all. Sites are spacious although bare dirt. Fire pits are concrete and re-bar hazards. Mini golf was covered in pine needles and unplayable. Wi-Fi was at the office and only one person / device could get on at a time and very slow. No cell phone service, the closest service is 3 miles away on the highway. If they offer it, it is probably in very bad shape, broke, ran down, etc. Never saw or met staff, actually at one point had to visit the office and was asked if we were checking in. We had been there 10 days at this point and had visited the "office area" daily to check email. Awesome "weekend warrior camper" area.
Our stay at this resort was truly less than pleasant. Management does not seem to communicate with one another. One will tell you one thing and someone else will come along and tell you something else. The "front yards" are joint / shared. You and your neighbor share the same area as they face rigs toward each other as opposed to all the same direction. Their "water front" sights are barricaded with trees making the river inaccessible from many of the RV sights. We have a pair of service animals and were constantly harassed about them and yet we watched other dogs run lose in the park. Internet is by Tengo Internet provider, which you pay $1 per day per device; half the time it did not work. There is no cell phone service nor do they provide a way to make calls. They say they have a hot spot yet I could not access it either. I would not recommend this park and as there are a dozen or more really nice parks in the area there is plenty more to choose from.
What a refreshing little place. We spent just over a week here after leaving a "private" "parking lot". We participated in a number of the offered activities during the weekend, and learned a lot. It was very pleasant and enjoyable. Definitely a must stop if you are in the area. Rangers were friendly and helpful. The camp hosts seemed to truly enjoy doing what they are there to do. Sites were clean and very well maintained. Honestly I must say even with all of the so-called budget cuts - State Parks by far have been a pleasure to stay at.
Stayed here as part of our sign up agreement with RPI, so our sight was free. Full hook ups are limited to their "owners", members are expected to park in the outer areas with just water and electric. We had full hook-ups because they allowed us to pick our spot. Everyone we came in contact with was friendly and helpful. The pool is a LONG way away from the sites. The area could use a few more trees. and when they water they use field irrigation style sprinklers, so prepare to have things get wet. Bend is a good 20 minute drive away down a twisty two lane road. The community is gated and you must have code to get in or out.
We were supposed to stay in this park for well over a week. However once we got to our site, we were SHOCKED to say the least. Once parked, we opened our door and almost ran into the unit next to us. Due to their slides, we had 18 inches between our door and their slide. When we went to the office to point this out we were told the manager would stop by when she got back to talk to us. We waited until check out the next day, still no manager. We went and made other arrangements at the local state park, and moved. Not once did the manager come by. Thankfully we had only paid for the one night. This was a valuable lesson for us. We now only pay for one night if we have not pulled the park up on Google earth. Their river fishing is a joke as is their river side spaces. All of these house permanent residents.
Wonderful little park right on the beach. Honestly you can not get any closer to the beach if you tried. We found this park while looking for a replacement park. The cute little light house in the center caught my eye, and that is why we checked it out. Spacious sites, wonderful ocean sounds, patios with picnic tables, and grass. The sunset off the ocean is breathtaking. Only one major catch, you must registrar at the hotel down the road. I would suggest you pick your spot, park your rig, and drive up to the hotel to reserve. It may say not big rig friendly however we had no problem maneuvering our 35 foot Class A along with it's toad through the park. This is a must repeat park.
Big rigs stay away. We are only 35 foot long and we were way too big for this park. It is a converted residential lot, in the middle of a neighborhood. The house remains in the center of the property. Toad's must be dropped prior on the residential street. No parking for Toads except on the street. They have a number of "permanent" residents in older trailers. This would not be a bad park if you are under 20 feet with no slides. Area is grass, watered daily, including your rigs. We stayed 2 nights of the 7 we were scheduled for - no refund received. Just too small for us. Sadly when we made our reservations they did tell us they are big rig friendly, which they are not. Host was very friendly though not concerned about anything except being paid.
Very pet friendly. After our bad experience up the road, this was truly an oasis in the middle of no where. Please be advised it is the middle of no where, I must truly express that fact. The owner is a wonderful older gentleman and loves pets. "What is a man with out his pet?" There was one other rig besides us when we pulled in, however as the night drew dark more people showed up. The area is fairly level, trees are rare, grass is everywhere. Hooking utilities was easy as most of the sites are pull through. Very big rig friendly. Building are "western rustic" and the old time tools hanging every where was an awesome sight. They even have a couple of horses that enjoy a carrot or 2 if you have them to spare. Great overnight spot.
Welcome to a gravel parking lot with a few trees here and there. We paid for a premium spot. What we got was less than. A standard spot had trees, burn pit, tables, and were closer to the pool and activities. The premium sites were on the outer edge, with no trees, no table, no burn pit, no Wi-Fi and cost $10 more a night. Check in staff went over ALL RULES and more RULES AFTER the money was handed over. Management made it very clear even though it was Labor Day weekend he was closing the pool at 7 pm Sunday for the season. Plus side, easy pull through sites and close to Royal Gorge. Will not stay here again.